Curse

Kanyatta · Jul 12, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

I know that there are loads of people who say "The community asked for SF to be nerfed, and now that it got changed, everyone's complaining again!" and acting as if the community is one "thing" (for lack of a better word). The point "does the community really know what they want?" has been brought up countless times, and I might be the first to admit, I really don't know what I want when it comes to Guild Wars.

I have been a gvg'er since about 2 months after I bought the game, I'm not really that good or anything, I just think it's fun, and Guild Wars has the best PvP of any MMO around, and to me, killing monsters just isn't all that fun. I've tried WoW, EQ2, AoC, D2 and loads of other MMO's and RPG's and none of them have floated my boat quite as much as Guild Wars does.

The issue of Wounding Strike has been brought up countless times, and as much as I know it's overpowered and it needs a nerf, I am scared of it going. The reason being, with WS gone, the meta will turn back to Blockway, and I don't know about you, but I really, really don't want blockway back. As a monk, you end up standing around half the time, as a Warrior, all you see on your screen is "Block, Block, Block, Block" until some mass enchant removal and a spike goes through, and as a Paragon, you are chaining DA and trying to stay awake from boredom. I just hate blockway so much.

Since the more recent ZKey implementation, I have managed to get a rather large amount of money (more money than I've ever had since playing the game, even when I used to exclusively PvE), and I've accrued a minor fortune for myself, or so I like to think. Back when I used to only have 20k in my storage maximum, I always wanted a bunch of rare skins and high-end armors and the like, and always wished I could be the guy sitting in the High End section of Ventari's throwing my money out at random at a Q9 Emerald Blade. Now that I could actually pay for something like that, I really don't see a reason to get it and don't want it. So now, I have a few hundred plat, and I really don't have much of a use for it, except for guesting and invites and such. I don't want to give it away, I'm content with it piling up in my storage, but I really don't have much of a use for it. I really don't know what I want to do with it.

I used to never play HA because it was just a huge IWAY/VIMWAY fest, but at the same time, I wanted a cool emote, so when HA hit 6v6 and started being fun, I went and got rank 3, and got about an extra 3 fame before saying "Well, I now have what I wanted, what else do I really need?" And I haven't entered Hero's Ascent in probably about a year. Same thing happened with Glad 1, I just TA'd until I got it, and stopped. Now I've recently taken to trying to get KoaBD on my main character (Ranger) and I have 3 max titles, currently working on SS/LB for my tier 1, but in the end, I know I'll get it after spending 20+ hours in the Remains of Sahlahja farming, but I won't really ever display it on my Ranger, I might put it in my HoM, I still haven't touched any part of that yet.

In a roundabout way of saying it, as a player, I'm not sure what more I want from Guild Wars. I really see no reason to do anything anymore, because a lot of the novelty has already been sucked out of the game. I'm not really sure what I want. I just stumbled upon this after random contemplation while bored SS/LB farming and wondered if anyone else has ever felt the same way.

Anyone else agree/disagree? Any thoughts?

Red Sonya · Jul 12, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

You'll never know the real truthful answer to that question unless Anet/NCsoft polls the entire GW population. Polls on forums just aren't valid and are irrelevent as they can only represent a very very very small portion of the entire community as a whole even with 20000 if you got all 20000 to vote it would only be an inkling of the entire population of the game.

joshuarodger · Jul 12, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

simple answer is no the community doesn't know what they want.

this is because some people like the way things are and some don't. some people were extremely happy with the SF buff because they could finally afford all those things that everyone else had. those that had them were not happy because they had those things and didn't want others to have them.

me, i like when things get changed up. sure it ruins some of what i'm currently doing but it adds new things for me to do and forces me to try different things.

Star Gazer · Jul 12, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

no. they dont. guru is a whining community, though it hasn't always been that way. guru isnt the "community". it is a small portion of millions of players.

Bowstring Badass · Jul 12, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

simple answer is no the community doesn't know what they want.

Because there are so many players and they try to please all of them. Anet can please me by making [signet of midnight] not so retardedly overpowered in 4v4 arenas.

slowerpoke · Jul 12, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

i know what i want
gw2

MithranArkanere · Jul 12, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

I know what I want, and I'll repeat myself as many times as needed.

I repeated myself a lot about the Prophecies end weapons over a year and look, thy where added.

For now... what should I be repeating myslef about...? Hm...? Fix the dye syste,...? Add the Xunlai Marketplace...? Ah! I know! Inscriptions worldwide!

I pwnd U · Jul 12, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

This is how the community works. Some people call for a nerf and then when it happens another part comes in and complains. People love to complain.

MisterT69 · Jul 12, 2008, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

This is how the community works. Some people call for a nerf and then when it happens another part comes in and complains. People love to complain.

wat makes A-net nerf? People complaining. So it's pretty much QQing that's what's really annoying people and the fact that some want one thing while everyone else wants the other and its just a giant QQ fest.

bhavv · Jul 12, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

I want 7 heroes for fun with making builds. Henchmen bore me (no im never going to group with others anymore).

And HOM achievemts and grind titles to be made account wide so I can enjoy playing multiple classes. There is only so much fun that an elly can have after 3 years, and since I wouldnt gain anything for from playing an alt, there isnt much incentive for playing multiple characters.

I pwnd U · Jul 12, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

wat makes A-net nerf? People complaining. So it's pretty much QQing that's what's really annoying people and the fact that some want one thing while everyone else wants the other and its just a giant QQ fest.

QQ=Complaining, just another more degrading way to say it. >.> Basically you just repeated what I said. Complaining is what people do to get attention to get a nerf. Then people compain about the nerf.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 12, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

The community (even the portion that is Guru) as a whole does not know what they want. The individuals might know what they want. But sadly, nearly everyone complains about everything they don't like.

The only real way to know what the entire community wants on specific matters is to make a Questionnaire that is mandatory that asks the opinions (in a yes, no, maybe, don't care answering format) on all the "popular wants/complaints" of the forum communities and all chat communities. And by making it mandatory (like your not able to play the game until you finish it), everyone who plays the game still has a say. And to be fair to those who are not playing it for a while, make it last a week (only have to fill it out once of course).

With that, all the popular topics (such as Xunlai Market, some titles being moved to account*wisdom, drunkard, etc*, and various other things) will be truly answered with the majority of the full community. After the polls are taken, what is majority wanted will be done (if possible).

(I hope ANet reads this post so they can implement the questionnaire on the common wants/complaints)

Savio · Jul 12, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

There isn't just a single community of players. You're not going to understand what they want at all if you lump them all together.

Avarre · Jul 12, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

QQ=Complaining, just another more degrading way to say it. >.> Basically you just repeated what I said. Complaining is what people do to get attention to get a nerf. Then people compain about the nerf.

QQ=crying. It's fashionable now and used to label anyone who isn't a fountain of sunshine and daisies, or that disagrees with you.

Anyways, I know what I want, and that's all I can control.

I pwnd U · Jul 12, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Avarre

QQ=crying. It's fashionable now and used to label anyone who isn't a fountain of sunshine and daisies, or that disagrees with you.

Anyways, I know what I want, and that's all I can control.

I'll make this simple, QQ=crying, yes indeed it does BUT when someone sits there and QQ's about something in a thread they are complaining about it. When you cry about something it is pretty much the same as complaining. So in a sense QQ=crying=complaing. Okay hopefully that cleared everything up.

I think as others have said, the community players as individuals know what they want but they can not agree.

sindex · Jul 12, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

To the OP: Uh-no, the community and the press are both raving hypocritical lunatics who should be sent to a mental institution because they believe GW is flat as the planet we live on. To prove this we can see GW 2 becoming like every other MMO or stereotypical RPG out there (with Dragons for the “cool factor”), but there is still a splash of GW uniqueness in it (queue: the no monthly fees).

Yes, it’s partially A-net’s fault for listening or misinterpreting things, but still the fact remains people are ignorant.

enter_the_zone · Jul 12, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Addressing the title of the thread, I think the members of the community know what they want. The problem is, many other people want something else. So what happens is, the faction which screams loudest seems to win in the end.

aapo · Jul 12, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

You see, ANET is like a leaf in the wind. Where the wind of complainers blows, there ANET goes. Nerf this - no revert it. It's attitude like this which creates problems. With other companies, the game is delivered in a state where it's thoroughly playtested. Possible updates are minor, aiming to fix actual problems like bugs and crashes with actual solutions. It's not some degenerate shouting contest about fundamental stuff like skillbalance like we see here on Guru every day.

Avarre · Jul 12, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

When you cry about something it is pretty much the same as complaining.

Are you sure you are qualified to facepalm at other people?

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

So what happens is, the faction which screams loudest seems to win in the end.

Often so, and this isn't a good thing. ANet needs a clear direction to build the game in, to prevent the kind of situation that aapo describes (which we're at now). Either that or a really solid CR manager who knows how to filter feedback.

Arkantos · Jul 12, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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I'll make this simple, QQ=crying, yes indeed it does BUT when someone sits there and QQ's about something in a thread they are complaining about it. When you cry about something it is pretty much the same as complaining. So in a sense QQ=crying=complaing. Okay hopefully that cleared everything up.

So if I'm constructively complaining about something, I'm crying about it?

QQ =/= complaining.

Anyways, I agree with Avarre. ANet need to decide what they want to do with the game, instead of listening to the majority. Since they want everyone to buy GW2, they won't do that. Hopefully they'll do it for GW2, though.